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Sunday, June 21, 2015

Iran's Parliament Chants "Death to America" on Sunday: Do You Remember What David Ignatius Wrote?



Almost three months ago, David Ignatius wrote in a Washington Post opinion piece entitled "Deal or no deal, the Iran talks have borne fruit" that Obama's failed negotiations with Iranian Supreme Leader Khamenei in Lausanne have reaped measureless bounty. Ignatius declared:

"Whatever the endgame produces, it’s useful to focus on the process of negotiation itself, which is nearly as important as whether there’s a sustainable deal.

First, there is the fact of U.S.-Iranian engagement. For more than 18 months, Iran has been in direct talks with a power it once demonized as the 'Great Satan.' Iranian hard-liners certainly remain, but the nation that chanted in unison 'Death to America' is probably gone forever."

"[T]he nation that chanted in unison “Death to America” is probably gone forever"? I subsequently had the following email exchange with Ignatius, beginning on April 1:

Dear David,

You write in your most recent opinion piece, "Deal or no deal, the Iran talks have borne fruit":

"Whatever the endgame produces, it’s useful to focus on the process of negotiation itself, which is nearly as important as whether there’s a sustainable deal.

First, there is the fact of U.S.-Iranian engagement. For more than 18 months, Iran has been in direct talks with a power it once demonized as the 'Great Satan.' Iranian hard-liners certainly remain, but the nation that chanted in unison 'Death to America' is probably gone forever."

In fact, as recently as
10 days ago, Iranian Supreme Leader Khamenei responded to chants of "Death to America" by declaring "Of course yes, death to America."

Best regards,
Jeffrey

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Ignatius's reply:

My point wasn't whether he would chant it but whether Iranians would chant "in unison" behind him. Answer: probably not.
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Dear David,

Sorry, but you're wrong. You did not go to the
link. In fact, this is exactly what happened a mere ten days ago: Iranians were chanting death to America as Khamenei spoke.

Jeffrey

. . . .

Another example of hundreds of thousands of Iranians chanting "Death to America" a month and a half ago.

Jeffrey
. . . .

Dear David,

FYI, "Death to America" was again being chanted throughout Iran today [April 3] during prayer services.

Best,
Jeffrey

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Ignatius's reply:

You miss my point entirely. What I said was that the NATION will never again chant it in UNISON. There will still be fanatical hardliners but they are beginning to be outliers.
. . . .

I didn't miss your point. Hundreds of thousands of Iranians (including women – not hardliners) in Tehran responded to Rouhani's speech celebrating the 1979 revolution by chanting in unison "Death to America" a month and a half ago. Two weeks ago, tens of thousands of Iranians chanted in unison "Death to America" while Khamenei spoke. Today, "Death to America" was chanted in unison in mosques throughout Iran (as reported in Farsi: http://farapress.ir/fa/news/314444 [this web page was subsequently removed by Iran]). Are we to understand that all those attending mosques are "hardliners"?

This entire notion of "fanatical hardliners" versus "moderates," e.g., Rouhani, is a myth. As you no doubt are aware, executions in Iran have surged since Rouhani became president.

As you are also no doubt aware, Rouhani bragged during the 2013 presidential election how he had lulled the West into complacency while radically expanding Iran's nuclear weapons development program (see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjbrqPK-BBg [access to this video has now been restricted]).

There are those who are hoping that Khamenei will die from prostate cancer and be replaced by a "moderate." But these people fail to take into account the control wielded by the Revolutionary Guard upon Iran's economy. They are not going to roll over and die.

Jeffrey


I didn't hear back from Ignatius.

Well, in case you missed it, yesterday, as reported by The Times of Israel, Iran's parliament chanted "Death to America" after 199 of the 213 lawmakers voted "to ban access to military sites, documents and scientists as part of a future deal with world powers over its contested nuclear program."

Yup, in another week Obama is seeking to close a deal whose sunset clause will provide Iran with the right to a nuclear arsenal in 10 years (if Iran doesn't cheat before that time - which it will), notwithstanding ongoing calls for "Death to America" from Iran's parliament.

When someone declares their intent to kill me, I take them at their word. Obama, on the other hand, consumed with his golf game, in hot pursuit of a legacy and blaming others for failing to achieve "change" ("I didn’t say, ‘Yes, I can’; I said — what? . . . ‘Yes, we can’"), simply doesn't care.

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4 comments:

  1. Your blog and report is accurate.
    It is time to stop the Obama-speak being propagated by Ignatius and other O-clones.
    The reality is there to see. Iran is arming itself with nuclear weapons in broad daylight. And Obama, by easing and then lifting sanctions will be responsible for this potentially calamitous situation. Has the man not caused enough destabilization, deaths and chaos in the Maghreb, in Egypt, in Iraq and Afghganistan, in Yemen and Syria with his false red-lines and his hollow preaching...? As Robert Louis Stevenson wrote:

    " A man of words and not of deeds
    Is like a garden full of weeds..."
    (and fast-forward to the end of that poem to learn the dire consequences)...
    Obama's legacy is that of the worst president in the entire history of the USA... he's leagues ahead of them all...

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  2. Excellent post JG!

    I vote in Eliot Engel's CD, the only Dem in the House who also takes Death threats from Iran seriously.

    Too bad #44 does not listen to anyone in Congress who disagrees with his post-modern view of history.

    k

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  3. I suggested to ElderofZiyon that he repost today's column. He wrote back asking me to ask you to put a Tweet button on your column.

    "Tell him to put a Tweet button on his site!

    When I tweet, Ian puts it on the linkdump.

    Thanks

    Elder

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    Elder of Ziyon
    http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com

    What I wrote him was the following:

    Subject: Death to America! (from the blog JG Caesaria)

    I'm going to give Jeffrey Grossman's blog another plug - I really think he deserves a wider airing as he does a stellar job of tracking the hypocrisy at the op-ed desk at the NYT and the Washington Post, which is usually a better paper, in this case wrt to Iran. The article catches out David Ignatius for claiming that Obama's outreach to Iran means that Iranians no longer chant "Death to America". Jeff then demonstrates that this is exactly what they do. Also, he expresses himself well. I'm sure he'd be amenable to a repost.

    http://jgcaesarea.blogspot.ca/2015/06/irans-parliament-chants-death-to.html

    Been a fan for a while.

    L. King

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